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Post by Dave on Jul 14, 2004 18:41:42 GMT -5
I cannot remember who it was that mentioned
the perkins 4-135 engine is the same as the mazda
2.2L diesel. anyone have specs photos of this perkins
engine?
Just like to have some cross-refernce part numbers
for the future of this engine i plan to hang onto.
;D
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Post by metromustang on Jul 15, 2004 19:42:25 GMT -5
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Post by Davotoo on Jul 16, 2004 8:50:42 GMT -5
Hey Guys:
I was told buy a local Perkins dealer (whos shelves were lined with parts boxes with Mazda printed on them) that my new 1984 was in fact a Perkins 4.135.
SO...when I saw some farmer on ebay selling a Perkins 200 series 4.135, 4.154 and 4.182 users handbook I bought it ($13).
Turned out to be even smaller than the thing that came in my glove box but it did have pics of all 3 engines with specs and trouble shooting guide.
Also what to do before you use a new engine and how to put it into storage.
The 4 is for 4 cylinder (L4) and the next numbers are the displacement in cubic inches.
Anyone want pics leave me email address here or maybe Dave has some room on his 6.4 gig drive.
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Post by Dave on Jul 16, 2004 19:14:49 GMT -5
actually my old web server has a 20/30 gigger
about 16 gigs free still..
ya id take all the pics you can throw at me.
im curious what the procedure is to store the engine?
might be kinda interesting to see what mazda recommends.
Dave
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Post by Davotoo on Aug 27, 2004 16:47:39 GMT -5
SO Dave:
Can you post one of those Perkins Pics , say the 4-135 here?
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Post by johno on Jun 23, 2005 16:21:24 GMT -5
I've been researching the origin of the Mazda 2.2 diesel, and have pretty well concluded that it is definitely NOT a Perkins. This has been confirmed most recently by the regional Perkins dealer directly, who agreed that it's a Mitsibishi-built engine (just like the shop manual says), and has no resemblance to any other Perkins, making it unlikely to be license-built. They thought is was most likely a Mitsubishi industrial engine, modified for the truck use.
The Perkins 4.135, 4.108/9 and 4.099 were all bigger engines, and very different in design, which is why I was originally suspicious of the Perkins claim. Unless someone else has better information. 1981 was before the time of most of the sources I've talked to.
I'm trying to contact Mitsubishi to learn more.
The License-built Japanese Mitsubishi/Mazda/Ford/Perkins 4.154 might be the source of the confusion.
Does anyone have better information? I'm still open to suggestions, but more importantly I want a parts source. Perkins and Mazda obviously aren't options. Wouldn't it be nice if Mitsubishi was?
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Post by tempforce on Jun 24, 2005 1:59:09 GMT -5
the 2.2 non turbo is a perkins, used in and built by mazda also used in the ford rangers. i have a shop manual for it.
the 2.3 turbo engine is a mitsubishi 4d55 engine. also used in a ford ranger. i have spare parts for that one.
the shop manual for the mazda built 2.2 shows several engines, the 4.135, 4.154 and the 4.182 all are in the 200 series of engines.
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Post by Dieseldavo on Jun 24, 2005 7:49:02 GMT -5
The 1985 and on Mazda Trucks are not Perkins, Only the 1982 to 1984 are.
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Post by johno on Jun 24, 2005 8:27:16 GMT -5
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Post by Mazdadieselsrule on Jun 24, 2005 21:38:50 GMT -5
The S2 engine is for sure a Perkins design built in house by Mazda. They made a 3.0 liter version of these and used some in Yale forktrucks and Generac generators and Westerbeke marine engines. The S2 if memory serves me right has a case hardened cylinder head with no valve guides or seats as these were machined before the head was hardened. Dieseldavo can explain this as he has had an engine eat a valve once. John.
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Post by johno on Jun 27, 2005 8:48:21 GMT -5
Maybe it doesn't matter, but where are people getting the information that the engine was made by Mazda? My manual doesn't agree. I'm also waiting for information from Mitsubishi to see if they might have parts, but they haven't responded in nearly a week.
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Post by DieselDavo on Jun 27, 2005 9:13:51 GMT -5
I Donno about the the bigger engines or the Ford version but I bought the last 5 valve guides and 4 exhaust valves from Mazda (only to find later that it was an intake valve head that busted off on my brothers 84...  )... The loose valve head smashed the piston and mucked up the head cavity on #2, but it made it home on 3 and never lost oil pressure. When the head was popped off the engine the #2 rod with wrist pin was still in tact. Don't think for one minute any other engine with 330K of hard trailer pulling miles on it could do that! If the rubber band timing belt pops off a VW diesel the rod bends and the the rod bearing insert spins out and the valves and guides are gone in at least two cylinder. |
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Post by TheDieseliminator on Jun 28, 2005 22:06:48 GMT -5
Pardon me if it may seem to be a dumb question, but I am only trying to learn more about this diesel engine. Does the Perkins engine in the 82-84 B2200 pickups run a timing belt or timing chain? I figure since Perkins is by no means junk, that it's probably a timing chain. But I think of it as a good question to ask. In about two weeks I will buying an 82 B2200 diesel truck with 136,000 miles out of a local junkyard. The truck is rusty, but I think it will pass Pennsylvania inspection after a few fixer-uppers. Thanks for the help.
Salvy
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Post by Evergreen on Jun 29, 2005 8:47:28 GMT -5
Hi, I'm no expert but I can answer your question. The engine is a pushrod design. This means that the cam is actually down low in the engine cases. It is gear-driven directly off the crankshaft. The vavles are actuated by pushrods which reach down to the cam. As long as you don't remove the cam essentially nothing can go wrong. The more I learn about these engines the more I'm amazed that they ever break. I'm eager to get mine on the road soon  |
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Post by Diesel Davo on Jun 29, 2005 12:04:27 GMT -5
Sadly the new Perkins like the 4.105 used in some sail boats does have the soda can head with rubber band Cam timing over head.  The old 4.135 is all steel gears inside. ;D Some Volvos had a plastic gear on the Cam (suppose to be quiet..) and Buick first V-6 had a Plastic and aluminum sprocket on the cam. Both stunk almost as bad as the rubber cog belt..... |
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